Calling on all righteous Muslims
Hey everybody, I'm looking for people who would be interested and/or know how to get a petition going against that bigoted nutjob Ahmadinejad of Iran. He is obviously getting out control and his insane criminal behavior against humanity must be stopped once and for all.
Please leave a comment and let me know if you can help.
PS -- Have you heard of Khaled Mahameed yet? He is the owner of the Arab world's first and only holocaust museum.
Update:
I went ahead and created this page at Loula's request....please sign petition here.
Another Update:
Thanks to Christine for suggesting the use of an actual petition service.
A collective statement by Muslim bloggers to the Iranian regime about its Holocaust denial conference
We the following Muslim bloggers hereby affirm that the Holocaust did happen because, not only are we quite capable of understanding overwhelming historical evidence, we also refuse to allow Muslim leaders to twist history for cruel, personal and selfish gains -- thereby reflecting negatively upon us and the message of Islam -- without confronting their actions with the hammer of righteous indignation. For religious, moral, and historical reasons, we repudiate and spit upon the Holocaust deniers conference now taking place in Iran, and stand in solidarity with student, and other, anti-fascists in that great nation, along with the victims of the Holocaust itself.
We further castigate Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as an egomaniacal sociopath and incompetent world leader who has embarrassed the reputation and spiritual world of Islam with his political falsifications and distortions. His attempts to infiltrate the realm of Holocaust studies in order to focus on changing the situations of foreign nations while many of his people go hungry and are unemployed, is obviously a deranged policy.
We therefore beseech him to grow up and be a man by taking care of his own national family, instead of playing games that have no tangible outcomes. We will not tolerate the way he continues to embarrass his people and drag the entire nation of Islam down with him, while perpetuating cruelty upon another community and dirtying the teachings of the Prophet. If he thinks the free Muslims of the world will stand silently in the face of his callous rejection of logic and reason under the banner of Islam, he is in for a big surprise. Let our collective voices ring loudly and clearly that we reaffirm the right for Iranians to live in a nation whose leaders are not genocidal bigots. May Allah have mercy on Ahmadinejad's soul because, in the face of his systemic disregard for humanity, we the undersigned absolutely do not.
Signed,
Myrtus, Muslim blogger at www.myrtus.typepad.com
Many thanks and a BIG HUG to these kind bloggers and all of you wonderful people helping spread the word via email.
Atlas Shrugs.....here
My Pet Jawa.....here
Gates of Vienna.....here
Perfect and rational, when muslims of all nations denounce the ignorance of the few like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Osama Bin Laden and the rest of their ilk, the world and Islam will be better for it. The amount of cruelty and indignity these so called leaders heap upon their people is a crime that needs to be stopped from within. One can only hope the peoples subjagated by these fools will find the wisdom and strength to terminate these dictators rule.
Posted by: Tedders | December 13, 2006 at 09:50 AM
Hi,
Maybe you should have this petition on a website so we could sign with our real identities.
Posted by: Loula | December 13, 2006 at 09:50 AM
Mind you, why can't the holocaust be discussed.
Posted by: Omar Alawna | December 13, 2006 at 10:59 AM
"Mind you, why can't the holocaust be discussed"
Are you kidding? What's to "discuss"? Talk about it all you want, it's important to remember what human hatred can do.
What you can't do is deny it. It's like arguing that the Earth isn't round. Dont' be stupid.
Great blog post btw.
Posted by: d0d0 | December 13, 2006 at 11:50 AM
I came here by way of Adel (netdur)'s blog. I'm sorry, I can't agree with you on this one, putting Ahmadinejad in the same category as Osama bin Laden. For one thing, Iran hasn't attacked anyone. If they've gained in the Middle East, it's because of George Bush's mistakes not their own ambitions. For another thing, Ahmadinejad is often mistranlated and misunderstood in the West. I have his letter to George Bush posted on my site and I urge people to read it. To me it seems like the words of a wise and self-reflective man who seeks peace. I don't agree with the Holocaust conference, but I'm not ready yet to "spit" on Ahmadinejad or call him an "egomaniacal sociopath." There is one world leader who currently fits that description, and it's the American president....
Posted by: eatbees | December 13, 2006 at 04:48 PM
"Mind you, why can't the holocaust be discussed"
The Holocaust can be discussed, how many Gypsies, homosexuals, political adversaries, POW's, German citizens, Foreign citizens, children and Jews were murdered and when. What was the governments organizational bureaucracy created and maintained for that purpose like. Who were the person's directly responsible for these crimes..... etc.. That's a discussion. Giving mental midgets like David Duke a platform to spew his personal detritus filled thesis. Giving him an international podium on which he can discourse the reasons he "feels" all of the physical and forensic evidence that was found, cataloged, filmed and preserved after the end of the war, proving there was a holocaust, is some how non existent or imaginary. As if what he says is true and all the survivors relatives that disappeared will suddenly appear suntanned from a long vacation and ask, What's up"?
That's not so much discussion as it is folly and disingenuousness (is that a word?). Only an anti Semite or idiot could do such a thing, someone completely immersed in bias and hatred and denial would let their emotional irrational side override their intellectual rational brain. It's like the Spanish American War or something only worse, it happened, it's fact, they are over now. Get it Omar?
Posted by: Tedders | December 13, 2006 at 05:44 PM
Speaking as a historian, I have no problem with the Holocaust being "discussed", Omar.
The problem comes when the participants in the discussion engage in wholesale academic fraud to obscure the truth rather than bring it more clearly into focus.
Do you really want to argue that less than 6 million died? I don't mind -- but be prepared to deal with the records that exist, not dismiss it. Be prepared to deal with the eyewitness testimony -- by folks who were victims and folks who were perpetrators -- to the events of the Holocaust.
Oh, yeah, and don't stand around saying that the Holocaust never happened and that you are ready to finish the job where Hitler left off.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right | December 13, 2006 at 06:05 PM
Thank you Najia! I will go sign
Posted by: Loula | December 13, 2006 at 08:37 PM
The Earth isn't round, it's an oblate spheroid. Who's stupid now?
Posted by: Liosliath | December 13, 2006 at 11:15 PM
It's great to see something like this from the Muslim community. It is so important for peaceful Muslims to take a stand against radicals instead of silently sitting by. If only more would take your lead, terrorism could be wiped out.
Posted by: DJM | December 14, 2006 at 07:57 AM
eatbees stated,
"For one thing, Iran hasn't attacked anyone. If they've gained in the Middle East, it's because of George Bush's mistakes not their own ambitions."
Iran has attacked nearly everyone in the middle east. The shaped charges that are killing coalition soldiers are supplied by Iran. The high explosives for car bombs that are being used against Iraq's civilian population to devastating effects come from? You guessed it, Iran. Iran uses it's resources to finance and train terrorists. Iran supports Hezbollah extremists who are at war with the government of Lebanon. If your a apologist for the nut job president of Iran why not just come out and say it. The letter you mention by Ahmadinejad to the American President is complete nonsense. First of all in the entire history of free nations real communications are started between diplomats and then a process is started of dialog between the two countries moving from one step to another, nothing new here. But Ahmadinejad decides thats not the way he wants to do it, He writes a letter. A letter (monologue) is not a dialog. Hitler tried the same thing with the British before and during WWII. While he thought it was productive for him, it was not. Ahmadinejad has duped you into thinking he has put forth an olive branch and wants to communicate with the West. That is not the case. If the supreme rulers or masses of Iran do not terminate Ahmadinejad's rule, then the someone else will. The fact that you can listen to Ahmadinejad's Pax Iran diatribe and not see through it gives me reason to doubt your ability to judge without bias or prejudice. His rantings are no different than Gaddafi or Saddam or any of the other windbags that proclaim to have all the answers. Iran population is in dire straits, they are unemployeed, hungry and oppressed. Iran has attacked it's own people and it's own position in the world order. Iran has attacked others and is now preparing to shoot it's own foot.
Posted by: Tedders | December 14, 2006 at 09:19 AM
Thank you all for your support, I really appreciate it.
aaaah Tedders, your reasoning is a breath of fresh air!
Our very own PeacefulVanguard here has been keeping a close eye on the Iranian government's atrocious policies, especially in regards to human rights. Examples are too numerous to mention, but here are just a few for instance.
http://myrtus.typepad.com/myrtus/2006/06/iran_bloggers_b.html
http://myrtus.typepad.com/myrtus/2006/06/iranian_economi.html
Also, either I'm not expressing myself well enough, or some people seem to have a bit of a comprehension problem (i.e eatbees). In any case, let me clarify that I personally would never physically "spit" on anyone, considering that it is a form of violence and I personally would never use violence unless in self-defense. I used the word "spit" as a matter of speech, to describe the intensity of my disgust with this matter. On the other hand.......I know of at least one person who thought I could have gotten away with using the word "vomit" instead. :D
Posted by: Myrtus | December 14, 2006 at 11:18 AM
"nut job president of Iran"
And that's not biased or prejudiced? While I may not agree with Ahmadinejad's policies, only a fool would think he's crazy. Crazy like a fox, maybe!
You might be interested in the rebuttal of his letter :
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP139506
Posted by: Liosliath | December 14, 2006 at 12:23 PM
Liosliath says:
"nut job president of Iran"
And that's not biased or prejudiced? While I may not agree with Ahmadinejad's policies, only a fool would think he's crazy. Crazy like a fox, maybe!
Hey I just call it as I see it. I'm not sure where your coming from on the AJ thing. I'm sure you know the rebuttal letter whose address you give in your post is satire and making fun of AJ, so that leads me to believe you too believe he is a nut job? Regardless, AJ is a loose screw and a poor leader. Just like Mao Tse-Tung was incompetent, his wonderful decision making process lead to the death by starvation of tens of millions of his own people. He didn't like to use experts advise just like AJ! I hate to use an over used analogy but AJ is a poor leader like Hitler was. While he talks about all the problems the region has because of the Jooooo's, but never looks in the mirror to see if maybe, just maybe it's him that is making bad situations worse and finding no solutions to any problems whatsoever. He didn't like to use experts advise just like AJ! He over extends the value of his military prowness in the hopes that peaceful nations won't call his bluff, just like Adolf did. And it is "ALL" bluff. AJ's time is coming and it probably won't be pretty.
Posted by: Tedders | December 14, 2006 at 08:12 PM
the Iranian regime must go.
Posted by: Winston | December 15, 2006 at 01:20 AM
"I am an apologist for the...president of Iran." There you go, Tedders. Somebody's gotta stick up for the guy over here in the States. Whatever Ahmadinejad's actual views may be, they aren't getting a fair hearing because of ranters like you. I've heard your accusations about IEDs before, but I haven't seen any proof -- what I do know is the U.S. army left high explosives unguarded on an Iraqi base and tons were stolen. Ahmadinejad challenged Bush to a debate and frankly, I think he'd tear Bush apart -- intellectually, of course. Reagan challenged the Soviet leadership to a debate in the 1980s so you should approve of the idea. Let the people decide. Do you think Bush would ever agree to that, without the spin? P.S. I'm an apologist for Hezbollah too. Neither of these men fits the extremist mold once you actually look at what they have to say. What they are is people who are forcefully defending interests that don't correspond to U.S. interests as defined by Halliburton, Henry Kissinger or the Carlyle Group. It's a big world, there's room for them too.
P.S. Myrtus, Thanks for having us over! I hope we're not being bad company.
Posted by: eatbees | December 15, 2006 at 01:48 AM
"Neither of these men fits the extremist mold once you actually look at what they have to say. What they are is people who are forcefully defending interests that don't correspond to U.S."
You have got to be kidding! Obviously you take their word for it, which only shows that you are easily fooled. Of course there is nothing wrong with defending ones interests, it is the means these people use to accomplish their goals that we are arguing about. They can say all they want, but if their words contradict their actions they got no leg to stand on.
They make fools out of themselves and everybody else who supports them. And BTW, Hitlter was defending German interests too, look at how many innocent people he murdered in the process, but of course if you choose to stick your head in the sand, it's up to you.
Considering that you live in the United States, I'm also wondering if you are a US citizen. If so, well guess what? These people are trying to undermine your country's interests and yours too in the process, blowing up innocent people, instigating and funding wars with criminal activities and blood money, oppressing human rights and freedoms, imposing cruelty on minorities and the list goes on.
If you're not a US citizen, you're still a Moroccan and Morocco's interests are strongly aligned with those of the US. So what are your interests eatbees? Or do you only like to argue just for the sake of argument?
"P.S. Myrtus, Thanks for having us over! I hope we're not being bad company."
You're very welcome eatbees and thank YOU! :D
To be honest with you, I don't know you enough yet to decide if you're bad company. I think if you stick around only time will tell if you're good company, but I CAN tell you this...I won't be completely happy till I see you join me in saying that "we repudiate and spit upon the holocaust deniers conference". (;
Posted by: Myrtus | December 15, 2006 at 07:05 AM
No, I do not think he's a nut job. The man has a definite agenda for having this conference, and it's dangerous to write him off as simply a "loose screw."
"Morocco's interests are strongly aligned with those of the US..."
Morocco is beginning to distance itself slightly from U.S. influence, and I don't think I have to say why. Ask the people in USAID whose government projects have been cancelled, for example.
Posted by: Liosliath | December 15, 2006 at 08:05 AM
Liosliath, if I knew any USAID people sure I would ask them. It would be nice if you could provide proof to support your claims though. At this point I have no choice but to conclude that their "government projects have been canceled" probably because they are a bunch of slackers or maybe the government decided to cut on spending, happens all the time you know? :D
I'm sorry, but I don't quite get you. Either you're trying to be mysterious or you're afraid to speak your mind freely. Why is it dangerous to write him off as a loose screw? You say you don't agree with his policies, yet you clearly demonstrate admiration for his level of intellect and for having a "definite agenda", but you're not clear on whether you actually understand what that "definite agenda" actually implies or whether your support it or not. Enlighten us please. (:
Posted by: Myrtus | December 15, 2006 at 09:24 AM
I'm not at liberty to elaborate further on the USAID projects, sorry. You can just disregard that, if you like. However, there are several sources that discuss how the U.S. is trying to promote democracy in Morocco, mainly through working with the PJD - you can see the potential problems with that tactic, I think.
Regardles, I'm not trying to be "mysterious" in the least, nor did I ever express "admiration" for his intellect or agenda. I think someone else here has a comprehension problem. I do not admire AJ's policies (what I know of them), and this conference is not about the Holocaust at all - it's about Israel.
As for "blowing up innocent people, instigating and funding wars with criminal activities and blood money, oppressing human rights and freedoms, imposing cruelty on minorities" - you could just as easily accuse the U.S. of the same things.
Posted by: Liosliath | December 15, 2006 at 10:23 AM
Oh I see, so you're against US policies, so you automatically feel inclined to jump to AJ's defense then, am I right?
You're right I do seem to have a comprehension problem don't I?
You said: he's "crazy like a fox maybe" - here I'm thinking, a fox is usually associated with being smart or even sexy....hmm I'm sorry, my bad, I shouldn't jump to conclusions like that, but considering the fact that you already indicated that you don't think he's crazy and calling anyone one of us "fools" for believing that he is crazy, how am I exactly supposed to read you then?
Posted by: Myrtus | December 15, 2006 at 11:53 AM
I'm not defending AJ at all, where are you getting that from? I also never said I was against U.S. policies as a whole, just pointing out that we're equally guilty of those things you mentioned. It doesn't make either side right, though. So yes, you do have a comprehension problem.
I meant crazy like a fox in that this conference is just a front for his real agenda, one he's stated openly many times. I believe this is a calculated effort to undermine support for Israel, and I'm not alone in that.
As for calling any one fools, that's the pot calling the kettle black. "you are easily fooled." Even your polls suggest that either we agree with you, or we're wrong.
Posted by: Liosliath | December 15, 2006 at 12:16 PM
Myrtus, I am an American citizen and was born here, as were my parents. Why does that matter in this debate? Does it give me more right to my views? As to the interests I'm defending, my interests are global social justice and applying the same standard to all people. By that standard, unfortunately, much of the current U.S. leadership is guilty of crimes against humanity, having used lies to start a war against Iraq, a nation that was no threat to us. (I do support the war in Afghanistan, but not in Iraq.) I'm not interested in seeing a replay in Iran, and will stand in the way of that if I can. If the U.S. or Israel attacked Iran, it would be a disaster for the security of the entire world. This escalation must stop! Myrtus, I agree with you that denying the Holocaust is reprehensible, but please consider that when you call Ahmadinejad a "sociopath" you are playing into the hands of those seeking to stir up irrational hatred and fear of Iran. Those folks, Cheney et al, have their finger on the trigger already. The U.S. and Iran must talk to each other, even the "realist" Baker-Hamilton report says that. I DO spit on Holocaust deniers, but I agree with Liosliath that that isn't the game here. Ahmadinejad knows the Holocaust happened and has said so. What he's doing is making a play for popular opinion in the Middle East, as the nation best prepared to defend against Israeli aggression. He's a smart man and sees a political opportunity. I hope you'll join me in some intellectual honesty and admit that the invasion of Iraq is what handed him that opportunity. Which is why I oppose more of the same.
Posted by: eatbees | December 15, 2006 at 02:38 PM
Myrtus, in my neck of the woods indecisive back peddlers, wafflers get no respect (John Kerry anyone). I'm not saying all my opinions are 100% correct all the time but compared to some of the AJ loving nutters on this forum my observations are spot on, theirs are somewhere in looney world of non rational.
"I'm not at liberty to elaborate further"
Because? KGB? Revolutionary Guard? Men in Black? Those darned voices in your head? It's hard for me to respect moonbat beliefs and moonbat personalities, but hey, that's just me!
"Whatever Ahmadinejad's actual views may be, they aren't getting a fair hearing because of ranters like you. I've heard your accusations about IEDs before."
Oh, it's my fault now AJ is a nut job?
I never mentioned IED's eatbees. Most of the IED'd used in Iraq are US and Russian manufactured artillery rounds from the period when Saddam could purchase those type of munitions legally. Except of course those IED munitions (artillery rounds) that were loaded up with sarin gas, you know illegal chemical weapons, the illegal WMD's that we didn't find, BUT DID! The reason we went to war was because Saddam had violated, How many UN resolutions? Had attacked and fired how many anti aircraft missiles at US fighters that were patrolling the area to protect the Kurds there? You know the Kurds, the ones who's villages were brutally attacked with helicopter gunships, killing old and young after the first gulf war and then were gassed using illegal chemical weapons? Do you remember them?
Oh dear me, I digress.
From this address:http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001733.html
Unlike the improvised explosive devices devised from Iraq's vast stockpiles of missiles, artillery shells and other arms, the new weapons are specially designed to destroy armored vehicles, military bomb experts say. The bombs feature shaped charges, which penetrate armor by focusing explosive power in a single direction and by firing a metal projectile embedded in the device into the target at high speed. The design is crude but effective if the vehicle's armor plating is struck at the correct angle.Since they first began appearing about two months ago, some of these devices have been seized, including one large shipment that was captured last week in northeast Iraq coming from Iran...
Pentagon and intelligence officials say that some shipments of the new explosives have contained both components and fully manufactured devices, and may have been spirited into Iraq along the porous Iranian border by the Iranian-backed, anti-Israeli terrorist group Hezbollah, or by Iran's Revolutionary Guard. American commanders say these bombs closely matched those that Hezbollah has used against Israel. "The devices we're seeing now have been machined," said a military official who has access to classified reporting on the insurgents' bomb-making abilities. "There is evidence of some sophistication."
Here's verification from the uber liberal NBC of shipments of arms from Iran.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/
While I am certainly skeptical of information garnered from the Internet, this is NBC for gosh sakes. If NBC, CBS or CNN's "America is to blame" news reporting can't be believed, then whose can? (author's note:this is sarcasm eatbees)
The US army has destroyed million of pounds of munitions. One depot is vandalized and all you will ever remember is that the US Army is a bunch of bunglers. You have no sense of proportion, no idea of magnitude, no real way to cipher what you hear on CNN and the reality of the millions of people that were freed from Saddam's sadistic and completely unbelievably cruel (in western terms) rule.
think he'd tear Bush apart -- intellectually
You're falling for the Katie Couric liberal "Bush is so dumb" myth. In reality Bush made better grades than John Kerry at Yale. If you think nut job AJ has more intelligence than the President of the United States of America, then that tells me that you are a person of the lowest common denominator, as far as rational and sophistication go.
I don't mean to cut this short, but my lovely bride is telling me I need to pack. We are taking our boys to Disneyworld for a fun filled week of? Hey, it will be fun to see the kids having a blast! In closing let me say, I respect all the posters opinions on this sit even if we will never come close to agreeing on crucial points. That's one reason I'm blessed to live in a country where I can express myself without fear of goons showing up and carting me off to prison (unlike Iran or North Korea). Specifically to Liosliath and eatbees, my writing style may be a bit pointed at times, I do feel passionately about much of the idiocy blathered about nowadays but I will never demean you personally or think less of you as a human because we don;t see eye to eye. With that said, please all have a Happy Holidays and may God and his Angels watch over and protect all of you!
Posted by: Tedders | December 15, 2006 at 05:54 PM
Tedders - I hope you have a nice time at Disneyworld. You may want to take the "It's a Small World" ride to heart, because despite your "I will never demean you personally," you insulted me twice (Non-rational and moonbat, to be exact), and called EatBees the lowest common denominator.
As for why I can't give more details about USAID, it's because my friends work for them, and they've asked me not to. I only brought it up as an example, but I mentioned that there were other sources that attested to a cooling of the relationship between Morocco and the United States. Also, you might want to read up on WMDs in Iraq, because your statement is not entirely accurate.
I don't think anyone is going to become more capable of rational discussion because of a comment on a blog, so I give up. I suspect you get much of your information from FOX news, so you're right, we won't see eye to eye.
BTW, Najia, I am with you in condemning this conference.
Posted by: Liosliath | December 16, 2006 at 08:48 AM